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What Do You Think About Paid Links?

Paid links and PR drops were a hot topic at Pubcon Las Vegas last week. We talked to Matt Cutts about it in a video interview, and he explained it quite rationally.

What's interesting to me though is the reaction we see from our readers. Some are vehemently opposed to what they consider Google strong arm tactics and then there are those of you who think Google is performing a service to the internet community by cracking down on paid links.

What Do You Think About Paid Links?
What Do You Think About Paid Links?

As such, I wanted to post some of the more interesting comments we've received to the issue so far and basically ask for some more feedback from WebProNews readers on the subject.

Are paid links a necessary evil? Are they necessary at all? Is Google taking a proper stance when they say 'NO', or should they maybe try to find some middle ground? Keep in mind, Google has created the 'link economy' with it's algorithmic emphasis on links=quality... so is Google really serving the 'greater good' or just looking out for number one here?

» Natural Products Says:

Great interview. Seems like big brother is putting the hammer down on paid links. Thanks for the video.

» Submitted by Bill Inman

Google decided to become a dictator a long time ago. Trying to control every aspect of our web sites, where we now spend more time worrying about what Google is going to do with our web site, than we do trying to design a site that will best serve the needs of our potential customers.
Google created the whole issue of "links" which has resulted in all the silly link pages everyone created, and now thew paid links.
My advice to Google is to get out of the role, and the opinion, that the world should revolve around them, and controling everything about our web sites.
Google is a good idea gone mad!

» Submitted by Dave Robinson

I think Google's stance on the whole link debate is fair and honest. The reason for linking being seen as a measure of a sites importance has it's roots in academia where peer reviewed papers would reference other works of note. Google wasn't playing some game, it created a system that rewarded hard work. Now this has been circumvented it's only right that Google tries to address this.
IMHO

» Submitted by SEO book Uk

There us a way to get even with google just pull adsense from your sites if 1 Million website pulled adsense for just a day google would notice a drop in revenue and will think twice before make webmaster angry again

» Submitted by David Jenkins

I'm all for the demise of paid links having spent over seven years building an information site that has never paid for a link and never will.
I am delighted that Google is taking this stance and would be glad to see "content is God" dominating the search results again.

» Submitted by Jim

In reference to Google's insistence that they are a private company and can do what ever they want. Les we forget, the power of Google is granted by the web users and masters. Currently web masters are the biggest users of the Google browser. It is web masters pages posting Google adds, and Google searches that built Google's popularity. The foundation of Google rest with the web master, combined we propelled Google to the top, and combined we can kick the feet out from under it. Change you adds to Yahoo, Change your search engines. In short, stop using Google, and Google shall fall.

» Submitted by Nicole on Tue, 12/11/2007 - 14:53.

As a small business web-site owner, AND as an in-house SEO writer for a large company, I frankly am happy that Google is downgrading paid-link sites that pass on link juice. When wearing my small biz hat, I can't afford to buy paid links and it gives bigger companies an advantage I can't yet afford. I think Google is indeed living up to their 'do no evil' company motto by doing this.

» Submitted by Kevin Hillman

People that support Google in any way just further the scam. Every link on any Google site is there because Google was paid to place the link there. They just like to make every site conform to their heavy handed rules. They want to own the entire internet and will crush any website they don't agree with.

Do you agree or disagree with the above comments? Are paid links just part of business, or are they something evil when they influence search results?

Add your thoughts here...

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Comments

Google will not be able to

Google will not be able to get all the paid links but thats not an excuse for buying links, at the end of the day its not worth the risk.  Its better to work hard through white hat methods and get your site to the top that way, at least you would know its going to stay there.

Paid Links

I agree with the comment that Google will not be able to get all paid links, but simply putting a foot forward is, I think, in the right direction.  Paid links werent a bad idea at the beginning (way back when when we started understanding how to rank in Google), but it's kind of gone overboard in my opinion. 

Let's all start working for our links again.

Can't Stop It

Google will be unable to stop it all. As long as their algo still is based on what other sites think about yours, people will find ways around it.

paid links should have

paid links should have nofollow unless they are an advert to promote traffic

Google uses paid links

I find this whole paid links thing pretty stupid. If a friend of mine ran a computer shop and as a favour to a good friend I put links on my site to his, then that is not a paid link. If on the other hand somebody offered me a small amount of money to put their site on there too it would be a paid link. My problem is how could Google ever tell the difference? There are links on my site that probably look like paid links, but they are not, its people I know or link swaps. BUT I do have some links that I get paid for! I get money every month from some nice people called GOOGLE! How can they sell advertising, but complain about paid links!

Bad idea, Good to Hear Googel is Proactive

Simply put, it is good to know that Google being proactive about clamping down on paid links. In the end, the average webmaster and business cannot compete with businesses with thousands of dollars to throw away for rankings.

Do we have a choice?

I think Google just want us to use Ad Works, so that they can make more money...

Why paid links?

Why any webmaster need a paid link?  I think its for manipulating search results, right? OK , if google allowed paid links to prevail then internet can become a playground of handful webmasters who have got loads of money in their pocket.

So, in my opinion google is doing a great job by hammering on paid links it will make sure that the democratic nature of search engine rankings does prevail and internet users get relevant results for search terms.

very bad method

i dont recommend this method

Paid Links

In my opinion the smaller companies are at a disadvantage without the use of paid links.  Most smaller companies are not newsworthy enough to gain links on their own. Where bigger companies receive plenty of link love for esseintally being a big corporate company with a brand name.

Use Paid Links Sparingly

I think this is re-establishing that paid links should be used sparingly.  I have always used them after other optimization techniques to 'put my client over the top' but never as a base for SEO efforts.  In all fairness, paid links can put spammy, useless websites at the top of the SERPS and in the end I (for one) value content ranking over monetary ranking. 

You get what you pay for

Paid links - good, bad or indifferent.   In my opinion they are a good thing, fast and easy web traffic, the money is also going to a good cause (google) who are doing great things with the internet (no really that is not sarcasm) just look at the tool's that Google give us webmasters.

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Why cant someone pay for links!

I cant see why you should not be able to pay for links.What is adsence then?. It is a monopoly then,I had a small website which i offered paid for links or clicks.It was linked to my other site google stripped the adsence script from my site telling me I was linked to other high rating sites just to have higher ratings on the search engines. I was on page 46 LOL.

Now I noticed that on the adsence join up that on the robot text file they just want you to have google spider your site, check it out.It took a while for Rome to fall just give it time they will soon go that route.

They can do what they want right now they control the Internet.If you want  a paid link pay your adsence bill.They our turning into control freaks everything they said they would never do they our doing now.

Opposed to paid links

I vehemently oppose paid links.Just think a website can be on the top if it can spend some money to get links even if it is a rotten an a website with good information lags if it doesn't get links just because it doesn't some money.

Lately I have been getting some irrelevant results in google search and I think this is because of buying and selling links.

The saddest part is google has very limited arsenals to block or fight back link selling and buying but I am optimistic that it will find some way to get out of this problem.

Paid Links

It paves the way for link trading. How google will decide on paid link!!

MyClickWorld

Paid Links

It all boils down to the fact that sites are more designed for search engine than users.

Uploadmega

No Problem

As long as your whole campaign is not based around paid links I have no problem with it, neither do Google when you check out their Enterprise Solutions Scheme

The Real Issue

The real issue here is that Google is having a difficult time staying in control of developing quality metrics which can deliver accurate results to grade websites based on various factors. What makes it more difficult is based on user intention. A visitor searching for SEO Company is likely searching for information about SEO service, and not general or abstract information about SEO. Some queries, therefore, do not 'focus' on information or content, by way of user intention, therefore content should not necessarily satisfy the query.

What's the Fuss?

I do't see what the fuss is, unless Google is openly admitting their system is gamable? All they are doing is essentially attracting attention to the fact that their system is able to be controlled in some fashion.

Paid Links

I  am glad that Google is down grading paid links. I believe that good content should be king. I don't agree with everything Google does, but I do agree with them on the stance they  have taken with paid links.  Some of us can't afford to buy paid links but everyone can get good content written one way or another.

 

It's all about the $$$

Google is 'cracking down' on (some) paid links for one reason and one reason only --- because doing so will result in more revenue brought in through AdWords. The very notion that this has somehting to do with the quality of search results or abuse of the system would be downright laughable if it weren't so insulting to intelligence of anyone who isn't a sheep.

The whole thing about nofollow as it pertains to paid links is a clever ploy to create an arbitrary grounds justifying the double-standard that exists between paid links that are brokered by Google and those traded directly between site owners or brokered through a non-Google 3rd-party link broker.

Google knows that this recent crackdown is going to leave a lot of sites desparate for visitors, and that many of those sites will buy their traffic from Google once the free organic traffic is taken away from them.

Additionally, don't be surprised if this is just the first of many stiff-arm tactics deployed by Google in its effort to monopolize all forms of web advertising. Would you really be all that surprised if Google started punishing sites that bought paid listings in the Yahoo search results? This could be just as easily defined as promotional spam as any other form of link buying.

The fact is that Google could very easily modify their algorithms accordingly to negate the effects of paid links and spam without stripping tens of thousands of content providers of one of the most effective means of monetizing their sites available to them.

Paid links and built links

Big company with strong financial can rank top by paying adsense. Whereas, small webmaster has to work hard to build links (not buy links) for better SERP ranking.  

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Paid Linking

Except from people who earn their money with SEO, nobody is really interested in this whole 'paid link good/bad discussion. I mean NOT INTERESTED AT ALL. People want good search results. And if I compare the search results for MSN with them from Google and Yahoo, I know what search engine to use. Yahoo out of curiosity, Google for speed, relevancy and accuracy and MSN when I want to have a laugh. Hurrah! for Google, the search engine where money can't buy you everything. It's a true Marxist's Engine. Mwahahahahaha...

Opinion about sire rankings and concerning paid links –Goggle

I must say that after reading many different opinions about issue addressing Goggles enforcement of bad site rankings that have paid links I still cannot take any side. I do a lot of research on waste variety on topics trough Goggle and I have noticed that content that provides meaningful and thorough information is rarely if ever ranked high on list, I just got used to check further down the line, on page 5, 6, 7....20 and up. From that point of view it would be great if Goggle could once again make a difference and deliver meaningful content ranked high on their list. On the other hand I am perfectly aware of the fact that by dropping site rankings to all pages that have paid links Goggle is playing a very negative role of a 'Big Brother'. Firstly there are some sites which have valuable content aside from having paid links on them; secondly, more than few people already noticed, what about Googol’s Ad Sense and Goggle’s paid links-they don't seem to be a problem, which just spells injustice; thirdly what is the point in Goggle’s statements that paid links are demonized just so that pages which have true and valuable content will rank higher when that same Goggle just recently made deal in China to provide their services on huge Chinese market but under condition to restrict their content only to fit Chinese government approved view of the world – where is the fight for true content equals high ranking there? Since this is a complex issue I am not jet able to take side in the pros and cons argument about Goggle page ranking issue. I am only thinking that there must bee another, probably better solution. Why not per instance broaden Goggle search options a bit; separating pages with paid links and pages with no paid links to two different categories presented side by side...Just a suggestion. I am certain that Goggle employees can come with adequate solution to this problem. Solution that will not enforce any hard rules to already existing sites while at a same time providing Goggle search users with valuable information from pages with paid links as well as from pages without paid links.

My opinion on paid links

We all go to Google,for making a search,as it gives us quality search results.when those results are not relevant,and/or influenced by paid links,I for one would like to say that, Google is perfectly justified in taking,this step,if not a bit late,to protect the integrity of its search engine result pages.Lowering page rank of those who sell links,levels the playing field, for those of us who don't sell them.Further not all of us are well off to purchase paid links to get ranked in Google.In that aspect those who could afford to purchase paid links did have an upper hand over those who had no resources to do so,and so despite running a quality website,had not been ranked in Google,or took a very long time to get ranked.Google should have taken this step much earlier.

WAKE UP!

Google wants to rule the world and that's very dangerous. They want to dictate how people run their business or what they display on their sites. They shouldn't treat my site different because I put advertising with outside links on my site.

I shifted all my hate from Microsoft to Google a while ago. I really would like to see Microsoft or Yahoo gain more ground in the SE arena. I don't even use Adwords anymore. To sell a dinner fork, I have to rewrite my site completely to their liking or pay $5/click because keywords get inactivated. Even though my content is unique, users can't find my site in the organic results. Instead Google displays irrelevant content from Wiki, and other big sites. Search results are horrible.

It is time for another engine to do some good harm to Google so they learn. I hope the rumors of American Idol guys getting into the game are true. That'd be Google's funeral.

I hate Google with a passion. You Google cult followers, pull your heads out of the sand and fight back before this monster eats you! Google is the new Microsoft! This ain't no more that lovely story of two broke programmer kids taking on the world from their UNIv. computer lab (I hope I got the right story here). Google already owns you. They are evil. They know even the time you go to the bathroom! They know more about your than yourself! Those of you that are up today and happy, tomorrow you can be next.

Toto

Paid Links

Personally I think Google should clamp down on these cheats who buy links. Otherwise all you end up with is serps dominated by the biggest pockets, they offer no real quality. I have a competitor that must be spending several thousand dollars per month buying back links to their MFA site. They have not been penalised they have kept their PR6 so Google obviously cant really determine back link buyers in their algo.

Paid Links

I think it appropriate that Google withdraw support for paid links. Surely it is fairer on everyone to have pages listed by content (good or bad) rather than some obscure way of using links that are generally meaningless to the content of the site.

Like us, if you sell widgets, it is better to get customers who are interested in widgets rather that utilities, banks et al.

So, hooray for Google getting rid of paid links and the place they occupy in the listings.

You can sell links

Google never said you could not sell links, they said you can sell all the links you want with "no follow tags".

Don't create fake articles with followed links in them.

If you want to sell some footer links just add no follow to them to avoid getting de-indexed.

Real simple, you still sell links, you still stay indexed if you run a clean ship.

Google is attempting to protect its franchise

What do I think about paid linking? I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, I own a small company and can not afford to compete with larger competitors regarding link-buying.

On the other hand, link buying cost less than Google PPC. And Google gets all the PPC cash.

I think Google is just doing what they are entitled to, protecting their franchise. For that, and as a stock holder, I say kudos.

Paid Links

When a company has what amounts to a monopoly and starts doing things that the majority of its customers, who are working with a one-sided agreement, view as unfair, then they may be subject to some sort of industry oversight by a congressional committee. This may or may not help link buyers, seo experts and its advertisers. In fact it would probably hurt everyone concerned.

Years ago the yellow pages industry controlled by Ma Bell, had a monopoly too. They charged whatever they wanted and penalized customers they didn't like. We all know what happened to them.

Google just needs to be fair to everyone involved. If you set up a system where votes in the form of links help a site, why penalize someone for offering links for sale and those that purchase them? Why should they care as long as the content is relevant?

Google

Google waits till it gets at least a month of revenue then pulls thier adds off your website for some stated reason or another.
You will not be paid any of your link ad money as they state...."because of invalid clicks, we are sending the money back to advertisers: BULL!
They get a months worth of free advertising.Google does it to many many people. The money would add up quickly
for them.

I agree boycott Google and use another click company

google paid links

I would love to see a return to the days when good content was the measure of a website. Google created this problem through their policies on linking. Their heavy handed and secretive actions are not good for the Internet or for business. Many webmasters spend vast amounts getting links instead of providing quality content.

Paid Links

Search Engines should not have paid links or keywords. They were originally meant for people to use in finding information on the internet. Now the only thing you can find by using search engines is sites that pay big money to get up in your face. That completely elininates sites that do not sell products and cannot afford to pay huge sums to the search engines to get listed. The search engines eliminate sites that cannot pay for position or keywords. We need a search engine that list sites by using keywords and in alphebic order that does not pay to be listed. Search engines have rendered themselves worthless.

Monopoly vs. Quality: Between the devil and the deep blue sea

When it comes to internet search, Google is king, if not even God! Especially here in Germany, where it holds over 80% of market share. Though I do not like the idea of a company possessing a monopoly and so much power, I do understand Google penalising sites that sell links.

It is only normal and very legitimate, when a company acts to protect its business model, while this is being threatened. And that for Google are high quality search results. Paid links for sure haven't got nothing to do with quality.

Google

I refuse to watch yet another "suck up to Matt Cutts" video.

What do you think about paid links?

Google's ethos has always been to aim for a truly democratic ranking policy, based as much on relevant content as possible, using links as a measure of relevancy and popularity. This policy should put all webmasters on an equal footing, regardless of wealth, size and resources. Paid links completely destroys this policy, as once again it is those with larger wallets that come out on top. We must remember that it is the searchers that Google are looking out for, not the webmasters.

en français

pour tous les internautes qui parlent français et mettent systematiquement à la poubelle les messages en anglais (ou autres langues) pour se proteger des spams, nous aimerions recevoir les differentes nouvelles de google dans notre langue natale
merci
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AdSense is a gamble

I was a while back banned from using AdSense by Google. They said I was systematically clicking the ads on my sites myself in order to make more money. That was simply a big fat lie, and coinsidently it happened just as I reached the limit for payout, $100 USD. I tried to reason with them, but that turned out to be impossible. However, it seems I'm not the only one this has happened to. Let's de-Google our sites. They're up to no good!

paid links

Hi,

I started from nowhere just over 18 months ago with own web design business. I'm not a designer but VERY passionate about the NET and the mess its in with a majority of messy sites designed by people who know how to carry a bucket but couldn't for the life of them tell you whats in it. Although paid links can generate business and if used well can be profitable I find that by getting my designers to create user friendly sites that still have a bespoke feel (So cut out the crap)and by sensible wording my so far up to 150 clients get phenominal results. I'd say 95% are page 1 Google (mostly number 1) under relevant search terms to their industry. We have now got the university of cumbria (UK) interested in our approach to the net. In short paid links are unnecessary if you approach things logically, though i wouldn't rule them out all together. Thats my thought on this anyway.

2 sides to every story

I can understand both camps views on this, but really Google has been going on about paid links for yonks - anyone who had paid links at the core of their SEO or Revenue plan should have seen this whole debarcle coming a long way off.

If SEO is your long-term strategy, there really are no short cuts. Likewise - if selling links was your revenue model . . . there are plenty of other ways to monetize your site :)

A pain I know - but just get on with it.

Paid Links and PR

Page Rank... Page Rank... Page Rank...

Does a high page rank ensure a good placement on Google? Nope... Heck I'm willing to bet that the only folk that really care about PR are the webmasters that have been trying to game the system.

The average home user has no idea or care for those little green pixels (that's if they have actually installed the tool bar!).

I've yet to see a website that has had traffic affected by it's PR. So really all this is doing is preventing others from selling links - so really it's a marketing ploy by Google to remain the number one online marketing company.

What Do You Think About Paid Links?

I think if Google is really penalizing pages with good content because of this it could hurt the relevancy of their results.
That could be bad for Google.

Paid Links

Google's product is search results that give the searcher the information that is desired.

While from a "what about me" position it may seem that because buying links in the past was rewarded with higher rankings in Google the economics of buying links was justified. If buying links is no longer economic without the added bonus of higher SE rankings then don't buy them. Don't whine that you can't influence the SE results by buying links anymore. That is just being lazy.

I think that the average searcher would like to see that the highest SE results are not a function of who paid the most but which result gives the best information that he/she is looking for.

Paid Links

Why dont Google devalue all links? I think their SERPs are too heavily weighted by them. What ever happened to content being king? I feel for these smaller companies who arent ever going to have websites that generate lots of natural links. Its not their fault, they just dont have the link juice to do it! So give them a break and place more weight on other aspects!!!!

Ban on Paid Links Bad

I run a a very legitimate business that has paid links, because I run local community websites, and small businesses in the towns want good advertising. I don't charge a lot, but provide a very good service enabling the small guy to be found on search engines. Google's ban has been bad on all of us. Now when you search for our small towns really stupid sites created by big businesses who have never even been to town show up first.

It was Google who invented the link thing in the first place. Instead of banning paid links, they should just stop counting incoming links as important. It's a very rediculous "vote" to have for a website. Websites should be ranked on content.

I hope google goes down big for this, and the more reliable search engines get a chance at marketing the web.

I think these days people

I think these days people are charging way to much for links.

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Paid links & google

Google is not the only one in the arena but they lead the list.
somwhere in the internet I have seen a move about google that explains the exact point of google success, "they bended the web designers to build sites the google way".
THAT I think is wrong, I have built a site that is not google friendly, and to be listed I need back links as air and water to, but I am glad that I have built the site MY WAY (for those who want to visit my site, is in hebrew, but you can understand the idea concept- one page no clicks almost no words and friendly (I beleive) to the non savvy web surfer.
We gave google the power by building sites their way, and that's way they succseed, so we don't need to complain know about the Consequences of OUR behavior.
In one sentence I do no support paid links or ring-links

Paid Links

Arent all the Adwords links on the right and top of Googles "organic" results pages paid links too? If Google want to play it like that........create an organic results search engine plus a paid for Adwords too....but dont combine them both as they do now!!
Obviously the whole issue is PR over Content and paid links are seen as some sort of cheating the algo.
There a quite a few major advertising directory companies in the UK who offer free directory listings without a link, but if you pay to advertise you get a comprehensive advert and a link page which often has some PR. So whats the difference? I believe you pay Yahoo to get listed in their directory and that has PR!

I think that those willing to pay and take the time of marketing the business with good choices of linking, paid or unpaid should be rewarded. If I cant afford to boost my PR with paid links then thats life. I cant afford a Ferrari either but I dont want to ban all sports cars because of it.

But at the end of the day, its Googles algo....so build another better Search Engine or use Yahoo I guess.

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